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videos there's some more stuff that has

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yet to come out and convince them that

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it was in fact real but a lot of it was

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on his personal recognizance I didn't

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realize that I had Chris on the show way

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back when and you know we didn't really

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it's funny we didn't talk he talked

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about some different UFO things but

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never mentioned things like the Nimitz

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or anything like that or any future

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plans he was on I believe in July of

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2016 there was a lot that they did keep

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pretty close to the vest they wanted to

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you know make the maximum years where it

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would get the attention of the story

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certainly deserve right right and so

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have you been contacted by what what

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happened in your life when Bob this went

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when this actually was published did you

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get contacted by a lot of different

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people about this was very much parallel

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to something I had done thirty years

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before he was more successful than I was

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to the point that he was actually able

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to get funding but I had doubt that the

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etheric levels within the you know

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intelligence community and a lot of our

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findings by the way are very much the

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particular critical issues are very much

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the same

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specifically nobody's in charge Wow Wow

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that runs counter to the whole UFO

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community thinking over orchestrating

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the release of information

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there's gonna be dribs and drabs reality

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is very personality dependence you've

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got to have somebody who's willing to

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pick up the guidon and you know carry it

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forward and be willing to risk your

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reputation and career often because some

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of the things you were discussing there

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why don't people come forward well

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particularly within the military as

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within the aviation community reporting

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ufos is not what we call career

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enhancing you can get your wrist slap

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for it not because you're seeing

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anything wrong it's just the risk of

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embarrassment right institutional

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embarrassment yeah I imagine so now um

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you actually looked into you tried to

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find some type of connection with the

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government researching UFOs several

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years ago and you just you came up

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empty-handed right you couldn't really

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see anything going on but this was prior

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representatives from all of the services

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clearances and we were exchanging

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information but you know bottom line was

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doing it you know passing the buck to

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somebody else and when you got to the

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very highest levels I told the story of

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an individual who was the head of one of

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the little three-letter agencies who

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would have to be as an institution would

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have to be involved if you believe

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stories and his comment was we don't do

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do this but conversely I'll tell you

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about the ones I saw so here was an

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individual very high levels who had

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previously had an experience of seeing

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UFOs so they did not have any trouble

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with existence but we're saying

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institutionally not our responsibility

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that something is flying around in our

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skies and you know protecting like say

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there's something that's non

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controllable flying around in our skies

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and you know isn't that a security risk

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taken seriously there's two issues one

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was the one you're mentioning was the is

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this a potential threat and almost

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anything that you can't identify this

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nuclear systems could fall into that

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room and the other of course was

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misses out there and certainly very

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credible pilot sightings so I thought

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those four the areas now part of that is

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to get funding and I do know that they

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have been criticized by many in the UFO

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community and particularly in the

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experiencer community for discussing a

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the way most people tab up the foggiest

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how the government really works some of

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government interactions and say you

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ought to take a decade off find out how

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the system really works and then come

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back and start writing again but the

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point is the Department of Defense you

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know their mission is to defend the

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United States against threats so if

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terms of a threat which they did the UFO

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experience or community if I can kind of

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broadly categorize that many of them

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relationship or is very positive and

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that's you know a study that was not

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well understood if you see my briefing

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show I said Condon was right because the

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question to Condon was not are UFOs real

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the Defense Department so the issue of

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threat you know I say it's right because

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certainly a hostile invasion and we can

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have a bottle yeah yeah so in as far as

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the government goes do you think that

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they are going to talk more freely about

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this since this thing was published and

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they the Pentagon admitted that this was

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what we called the building I used to

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run around looking for this guy Pentagon

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the Pentagon says that and

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pentagons doesn't say anything it's a

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big stone building that's occupied by a

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few tens of thousands of people all of

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whom come with their own personal

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beliefs on it so the short answer to

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know willingness to come forward and

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talk about events or explore the

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possibilities institutionally the

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Department of Defense is very

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conservative and I mean that in a

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variety of ways but risk aversion is

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high priority now I know go ahead yeah

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were probably like more threats or there

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was some type of threat I mean right now

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stories I don't know if they're exactly

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true or not we're you know a plane

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crashed and you know a few different

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things happen but if they felt there was

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a threat do you think it would be like a

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total different story or do you think

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they'd still conceal it as much as

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possible Nimitz case for instance okay

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interaction over two weeks certainly

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of these things happening when you

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be relatively rare events from an

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institutional perspective if you're a

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manager and you're allocated X amount of

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resources how much money

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very low probability of resolving

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that's that's been something that a

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number of people have talked about over

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the years the resolving part of this is

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eluding and you know who's gonna put

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money into that now as far as the money

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that was invested the 22 million you

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small portion of money actually when it

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right now I know that you worked you

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know your book starts out you're talking

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about you worked for knids you were

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hired by Bob Bigelow interesting guy and

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hey by the way is it true that you spent

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the first night at the skinwalker ranch

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alone yeah when Bob potty

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what was that way no mystical events you

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more of a personal attraction or

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affinity for yeah I'm interested in

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reading your book I want to talk a

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little bit later about how things seem

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to follow certain people that I find

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really fascinating as well so as far as

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him having some metals

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some type of metals have you heard

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anything about that in particular

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paper is the same as what I see is that

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some very interesting material none of

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its unobtainium meaning something it can

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be you know disproven to be from you

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rather that's a very interesting

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engineering that may have taken place to

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create that so in other words it's all

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to study I know in the actual

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participants and then full-time

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employees did not do it this was farmed

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metallurgical laboratories for analysis

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would use if you had but we have known I

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realized that I thought this was

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actually something fairly new that they

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were talking about definitely not goes

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back many decades about that Wow

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never knew that so and provenance is one

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of the key issues in all of that what's

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the chain of custody reliability the you

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know site of origin

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being positively determined I see I see

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now going back to this the nimitz case

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and the footage that's out there as far

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as this being classified and then I'm

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obviously unclassified because they're

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talking about it do you find that

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interesting do you think that's kind of

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unusual that they're declassify

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something like the footage and let the

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naval officer the pilot talk about the

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classification the incident itself as

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opposed to the capabilities of the

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sensors the key issue from a DoD

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perspective is we call sources and

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methods and what you don't want an

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adversary to do too soon is to be able

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to figure out exactly what your

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but for you know threat detection in

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other sectors really okay all right hang

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something here so okay so but the the

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Navy the naval pilot when he publicly

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comes out and discusses this do you

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think that it's scripted do you think he

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has to stay to certain guidelines or do

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you think he's free to talk about it

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sure well if there's anything that's

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sensitive and this would be similar to

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you know satellites to pick up UFOs well

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not widely talked about but has been

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acknowledged in some areas and the issue

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in general particularly from the DoD

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sensors or satellites is how good are

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they how good is that sensor system

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again if you don't want to tip your hand

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to North Korea's

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typically china-russia other agencies

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you'd prefer them not to know just how

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good your systems are and those were the

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issues that were more protected not that

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you picked up some weird object flying

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around I see I see

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so I saw some type of I don't know if

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was a tweet or something like that out

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there that there is they're saying that

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yeah and let me ask you I don't know if

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you're comfortable talking about this

302
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but what did you think at first when you

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know Tom DeLonge came along and said you

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know he had some really you know

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I'm not sure what the question Tom

306
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DeLonge did you were you following that

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when he was saying that he was working

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with the government and had an

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announcement well we have spoken

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once on the phone I have not met him but

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again the others admittedly several of

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them are close friends so there has been

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some discussion and watching through the

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evolution of the announcement I see okay

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well I have there's some questions that

316
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came in here and let's see Carrie wanted

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to know do you think that the Pentagon

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video shows black project technology

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that is being tested against its own

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military has an unknown craft yeah I

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keep getting I'll rephrase that

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no what are you getting and you just

323
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don't do that you know well we got a

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place if you want to know what happens

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at area 51 that's exactly the kind of

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capabilities they do test out there

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right of course

328
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yeah but I have heard a number of people

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say

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that they think that it's possible that

331
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it's you know Russian or some type of

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foreign technology but the one thing I

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thought of scare the crap out of

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everybody even proposed that because

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that infers that they have made a huge

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technological leap that I mean yeah that

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would definitely shake up the Pentagon

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not sure they'd be talking about it

339
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but it would be a major effort well not

340
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only that the thing that I've said at

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least a couple times is that you know

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then they're forgetting everything

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that's happened you know over the last

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several decades and that have been

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observed you know very you know similar

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craft seven similar technology has been

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observed well if you get back to the

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briefings that I gave thirty years ago

349
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the capabilities aerodynamic

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capabilities that are being described

351
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currently all have been present for

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seventy years and we know damn well you

353
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know we did not have that kind of

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capability at that time are they in

355
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general there are some people and I

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would take the tasks who have been

357
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making wild claims in flight on their

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travel capability we're just hiding it

359
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for some reason that I don't fully

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understand but I totally reject that

361
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that notion so there are a few people

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who make those kind of claims but it's

363
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absolutely not true yeah kind of like

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the basis on the backside of the Moon

365
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and all that type of stuff along those

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same lines that's really what well you

367
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know I've got again the slides that I

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use that there are no lower limits I

369
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don't care how crazy a scenario you can

370
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come up with even the monster ibly false

371
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and yet you'll find a subset of the

372
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people who believe it I think they all

373
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yeah well that's what you get you know I

374
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mean it's it's a changed world with the

375
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internet in you know III do get a lot of

376
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email too so I know I know what you're

377
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talking about and you have to you have

378
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to stop the engagement sometime with you

379
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know some people that kind of go out

380
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there a little bit well there's a

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critical issue I think is worth

382
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discussing and that is if we have some

383
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of the capabilities that they're

384
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describing that we have little widgets

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that fly around are totally

386
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insignificant compared to that means we

387
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have a unique understanding of some

388
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previously unknown energy system if you

389
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had that no matter what you're talking

390
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about zero-point energy and it gravity

391
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etc that changes the total geopolitical

392
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situation of the world you know we can

393
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make the Middle East irrelevant in fact

394
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one of my earlier books I actually

395
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addressed that as a way to get out of

396
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you know complex so the notion that you

397
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know we're hiding an energy source of

398
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that magnitude is just preposterous yeah

399
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along the line along those same lines

400
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I've heard many people say that they

401
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think the triangle said everyone is

402
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seeing these days you know that also

403
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have the capability of acting weightless

404
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and moving without obvious propulsion

405
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and all that a lot of them there's a lot

406
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of people that are steadfast saying that

407
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that's definitely you know some type of

408
00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:09,919
well government technology the essence

409
00:24:17,139 --> 00:24:14,419
of that is Marlowe's book on triangles

410
00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:17,149
meaning those crafts have been reported

411
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since the 1800s

412
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:25,250
right exactly yeah before Kitty Hawk

413
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:28,760
right right no and you know I had

414
00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:30,830
someone on the show that I just I just

415
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,460
know through you know my what I do for

416
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,520
work that actually came on the show just

417
00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:38,720
for a few minutes to talk about a

418
00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:42,950
triangle that was over over her car when

419
00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:45,799
she was young you know that was just

420
00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:47,390
hovering over and then took off and

421
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:48,860
never made a sound you know this is back

422
00:24:54,970 --> 00:24:53,090
in 1970s I think she said 77 so yeah if

423
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:54,980
that technology was around I don't think

424
00:25:01,630 --> 00:24:58,250
we'd be not using it and hiding it this

425
00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:01,640
long especially we have now been at war

426
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:06,760
for entering the 17th year we have spent

427
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:09,770
upwards well certainly over two trillion

428
00:25:17,380 --> 00:25:14,080
if not three trillion dollars and during

429
00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:17,390
conflicts you do see some advances in

430
00:25:23,380 --> 00:25:20,270
technology but probably the best things

431
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:23,390
we've seen or the f-35 which is

432
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:26,330
certainly not a gravitational or

433
00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:30,289
anti-gravity system are some better

434
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:32,900
sensor systems and we've done a great

435
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,380
deal of work in prosthetics which will

436
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:38,600
bleed over in the civilian sector as

437
00:25:44,919 --> 00:25:42,620
well you do not see you know any of

438
00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:44,929
these big leaps and I know the

439
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:47,270
conspiracy crowd says well they're

440
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,600
saving it you know at two trillion

441
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:53,600
dollars and 17 years or you're saving it

442
00:25:59,409 --> 00:25:57,169
for what right for someone to try to

443
00:26:02,260 --> 00:25:59,419
wrap their head around what a trillion

444
00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,270
just one trillion is if someone were to

445
00:26:11,049 --> 00:26:04,520
count to one trillion they'd have to

446
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:11,059
live 30 thousand years yep yeah I mean

447
00:26:19,169 --> 00:26:15,039
it takes that long and yeah I

448
00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:19,179
as far as though like skunkworks

449
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:21,950
do you think they do have some you know

450
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:24,230
pretty unique things that you know they

451
00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:25,610
always say that or I've heard a number

452
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:27,230
of people say that you know we're seeing

453
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:33,320
what's 20 years you know behind only do

454
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:34,940
you think that's a kind of an accurate

455
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:38,630
statement perhaps 20 years

456
00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:42,890
probably not too bad I point out that

457
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:45,620
Ben rich was a friend of mine who was

458
00:26:52,330 --> 00:26:48,850
the second president after Kelly Johnson

459
00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:52,340
and we discussed this and I know this

460
00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:54,380
runs contrary to some of the statements

461
00:27:01,000 --> 00:26:57,800
out there but he specifically had a

462
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:01,010
shopping list you know if UFOs I want

463
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:02,930
the propulsion so son I want the cloak

464
00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:06,800
in you know etc etc I had no indication

465
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:09,680
that they had it they do I used to work

466
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,060
my last job on active duty was director

467
00:27:18,790 --> 00:27:16,880
of advanced system concepts for what was

468
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:18,800
then the Army's Laboratory command

469
00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:21,740
meaning very very high tech but very

470
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:24,350
early stage in our estimate and it's

471
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:27,350
remained fairly constant that from the

472
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:29,960
time of discovery until implementation

473
00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:33,850
you know 15 years is kind of a minimum

474
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:39,860
hmm Wow isn't that something yeah notion

475
00:27:45,270 --> 00:27:42,650
this gets into the energy issues because

476
00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:45,280
we have looked at that number of us who

477
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:47,660
interested in these areas say if you

478
00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:50,960
have an energy breakthrough of the

479
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:54,200
magnitude were discussing it will take

480
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:58,100
you at least two to three decades to

481
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:01,700
inculcate that it takes that long for

482
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:05,210
you together if I have a pound of

483
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:09,320
unobtainium that I hand to you and it

484
00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:12,530
can get through a thousand miles in your

485
00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:15,020
car does you no good because you do not

486
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:18,140
have an engine system or a way to you

487
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:20,030
know get that to drive the engine to

488
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:23,240
drive the train to make the car move etc

489
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:26,960
the infrastructure required to adapt the

490
00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:29,990
new energy system is tremendous and

491
00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:33,260
takes I mean look how long solar panels

492
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:34,790
have been around if you want a good

493
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:38,810
example or windmills for forever and yet

494
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:41,090
we're just starting to see those as

495
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:46,610
viable renewable energy sources right

496
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:49,490
right Wow

497
00:28:58,150 --> 00:28:52,580
so let me just read off another question

498
00:29:03,730 --> 00:28:58,160
from Carrie can you give any information

499
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:03,740
about the aviary aviary group and if you

500
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:06,050
were a member that's something I'm not

501
00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:06,710
familiar with

502
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:16,070
oh I'm blanking on the name but Jamieson

503
00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:21,130
dara and what not this goes back decades

504
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:25,460
my take is the aviary as conceived of in

505
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:29,350
conspiracy theory simply doesn't exist I

506
00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:33,290
was given a bird name but it was because

507
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,380
they were yeah what they wanted to do

508
00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:38,720
was to be able to talk about people on

509
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:41,660
the phone must like we're doing now and

510
00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:44,210
so they would assign individuals

511
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:47,240
basically code names

512
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:52,520
bad news is yeah I got one up there at

513
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:55,730
their wright-patterson and several of us

514
00:30:00,040 --> 00:29:57,080
through there and they gave up name I

515
00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:00,050
can't remember which is mine versus you

516
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:03,680
know which go to other people but there

517
00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:06,070
was never a group that got together to

518
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:12,620
conspire to do anything I know okay all

519
00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:16,160
right now did that did that wasn't there

520
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:18,140
something to do with Paul bennewitz and

521
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:20,630
Richard Doty and all that when it came

522
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,570
to like the aviary names am I getting

523
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:26,240
that complete mess yeah well things all

524
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:30,290
get mixed around my position has been

525
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:33,080
the benefice cases true

526
00:30:38,770 --> 00:30:36,260
as has been purported there's some

527
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:38,780
people who ought to be in jail yes I

528
00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:43,090
know just terrible just terrible and

529
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:47,630
yeah and I've followed what Ritchie

530
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:50,870
Richard Doty has said lately on a few

531
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:52,190
different shows and I've been actually

532
00:30:58,300 --> 00:30:56,030
quite shocked with what he says about

533
00:31:02,790 --> 00:30:58,310
seeing aliens and things like that I

534
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:07,049
yeah it's it's rather shocking

535
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:12,950
so let's I'm just seeing if there's any

536
00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:15,590
questions in the chat room right now for

537
00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:20,600
you but as far as the Pentagon I just

538
00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:21,740
wanted to kind of close out that and

539
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:24,020
then we can talk more about we'll talk

540
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:26,450
about your book and things that you

541
00:31:34,659 --> 00:31:32,809
experienced but do you think if more

542
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:34,669
videos come out well do you think the

543
00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:36,950
news will pay as much attention or do

544
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:39,230
you think that the news media will just

545
00:31:46,269 --> 00:31:40,610
kind of died down even if more

546
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:46,279
information comes out that will vary

547
00:31:52,659 --> 00:31:49,460
tremendously depending on you know what

548
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:52,669
they are just more videos and from what

549
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:55,520
I understand they're not as good a

550
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:59,330
quality as has been released already but

551
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:01,190
I think it's going to be seen as more of

552
00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:02,929
the same

553
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:06,620
you know will some agencies pick up on

554
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:08,390
and do something yes

555
00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:11,149
of course the UFO community alejandro

556
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:15,799
will have a ball open minds and all of

557
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:18,470
that but as far as new york times and

558
00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:20,450
they'll probably do a couple articles or

559
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,480
something but unless it's there is some

560
00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:26,120
blockbuster and i have not heard of

561
00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:32,659
anything like that it's just you know

562
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,200
it's just more evidence of what we

563
00:32:41,529 --> 00:32:39,440
already know right I did think I was

564
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:41,539
glad that they did come out and I think

565
00:32:46,779 --> 00:32:42,770
it was important that they came out with

566
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:46,789
a good quality video first you know when

567
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:49,880
releasing this as part of the story the

568
00:32:56,529 --> 00:32:53,750
way they did and I know that there has

569
00:32:59,500 --> 00:32:56,539
been a few people trying to debunk the

570
00:33:01,659 --> 00:32:59,510
video itself have you heard of anything

571
00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:01,669
about that have you think that's

572
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,630
nonsense

573
00:33:09,399 --> 00:33:05,600
yeah first of all the video in and of

574
00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:09,409
itself is interesting no doubt but as

575
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:11,960
I'm sure you discussed with Chris you

576
00:33:17,379 --> 00:33:14,690
know remember there were three different

577
00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:17,389
radar systems that were involved as was

578
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:19,280
the physical observation

579
00:33:27,010 --> 00:33:22,970
pilots over two weeks there were a lot

580
00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:27,020
more people than that involved so in my

581
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:30,380
view it's the consensus that's being

582
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:33,650
reached by multiple I also saw people

583
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:35,390
come out and say well this is just a

584
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:38,390
flare or both of you a mistake in the

585
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:38,900
video

586
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:41,690
you haven't got three radars you know

587
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:45,910
plus the video plus eyewitness testimony

588
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,570
that's not all being made up and my

589
00:33:58,030 --> 00:33:53,840
point is always been that you know the

590
00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:58,040
multi sensor convergence has button

591
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:00,520
what's really key and understanding the

592
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:05,030
reality of the phenomena and support to

593
00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:07,190
I witnessed eyewitness testimonies

594
00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:09,980
terrible understand all that but when

595
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:13,429
it's corroborated as you have here with

596
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:17,110
multiple systems and you can you know

597
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:20,330
I've said we're doing a show with George

598
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:22,130
Knapp the other day and the guy came on

599
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:24,110
and said you know well I wouldn't

600
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:27,950
believe unless like you know you go when

601
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:30,470
you have all of the stuff lines up the

602
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:34,790
answer is it is real right and well what

603
00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:36,440
was the guy saying in particular that he

604
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:38,659
wouldn't believe it unless I was right

605
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:40,010
there in front of him or something like

606
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:44,300
that basically he was using the

607
00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:47,409
oft-quoted Carl Sagan you know

608
00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:49,070
extraordinary claims require

609
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:53,149
extraordinary evidence well you know the

610
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,470
extraordinary evidence

611
00:35:00,130 --> 00:34:57,920
already exists by the way there is one

612
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:00,140
key factor I would like to bring out

613
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:02,540
that might change the discussion a bit

614
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:05,720
mm-hmm I think it's interesting that the

615
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:08,780
Department of Defense is interested and

616
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:11,420
did do studies and they do have access

617
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:15,140
to sensor systems that are not generally

618
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:18,920
available but this is not a defense

619
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:21,980
issue nor should it be this is something

620
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:24,310
that should be in the public domain

621
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:27,320
because there's far more people have

622
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:30,980
incredible experiences that have nothing

623
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:32,260
to do with the

624
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:35,740
apartment of defense excuse me it's a

625
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:38,290
global phenomena that has been around

626
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:42,310
for millennia so if you're going to try

627
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:46,240
to get some resolution and you've got to

628
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:51,760
get civilian scientists involved and and

629
00:35:58,890 --> 00:35:54,850
to the one thing you said earlier it's a

630
00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:58,900
non solvable issue and I think that's

631
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:01,990
besides the possible ridicule factor of

632
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:05,530
course that would be alleviated if you

633
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:11,050
know not say okay what I said is you

634
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,210
have low probability of solving it and

635
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:17,680
particularly when you have the small

636
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:19,270
amount of resource and one of my quotes

637
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:22,110
is we are looking at a phenomenon or

638
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:27,610
phenomena plural that is at least as

639
00:36:34,590 --> 00:36:32,470
complex as AIDS or cancer and if you

640
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:34,600
treat it like that and then you tell you

641
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:36,310
okay well what are the resources that

642
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:39,400
are being applied towards that they're

643
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:44,110
in their miniscule you know cancer we

644
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:46,890
put in billions and billions of dollars

645
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:50,980
and aid certain advances but it's taken

646
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:53,290
you know phenomenal amount of time

647
00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:57,580
effort and resources in order to you

648
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:02,140
know get to where we are I also have an

649
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:05,710
agenda which I freely put forward every

650
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:07,720
time I get a chance and that is I think

651
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:12,280
we need to make it so that Sirius

652
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:15,160
Sciences can get involved in the study

653
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:17,140
of all of the phenomena we ought to

654
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,590
broaden out into some of those but

655
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:22,800
without risking their reputation

656
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:26,860
livelihood or career I agree totally

657
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:32,050
agree with that it and there is a you

658
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:36,640
know there is you know as you know the

659
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:38,230
different things that you experienced in

660
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:40,990
your book you know there there seems

661
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:43,560
like there's some type of underlying

662
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,910
situation where

663
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:47,440
there's some type of commonality or

664
00:37:53,279 --> 00:37:50,349
something going on with a lot of these

665
00:37:57,029 --> 00:37:53,289
different things well that is the thesis

666
00:37:59,460 --> 00:37:57,039
the book is reality denied first-hand

667
00:38:05,039 --> 00:37:59,470
experience with things that can't happen

668
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,049
but did and as I've discussed most of

669
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:06,880
the seminars and whatnot that we've

670
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:10,450
talked to people is that there is in my

671
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:13,630
view a common factor I have a early

672
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:15,910
slide I use in most briefings and it

673
00:38:19,319 --> 00:38:16,599
shows

674
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,329
now there's UFOs but we also talk about

675
00:38:27,289 --> 00:38:21,359
near-death experience

676
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:27,299
psychokinesis post-mortem communication

677
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:31,660
spontaneous healing events firewalking

678
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:33,670
you know it been involved in all of

679
00:38:42,569 --> 00:38:39,190
those and even cryptozoology and then my

680
00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:42,579
personal view is that they are all

681
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:46,359
connected and that consciousness is a

682
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:51,250
piece of that wow that's really

683
00:38:58,799 --> 00:38:55,630
fascinating and there's a question that

684
00:39:01,470 --> 00:38:58,809
came in actually from Lee and it might

685
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:01,480
be just because of the way the calls may

686
00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:03,849
not be able to come in tonight with a

687
00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:07,809
technical issue so Lee Spiegel wants to

688
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:11,109
know why do people still hope for UFO

689
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:13,660
disclosure when many failed disclosure

690
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,569
has already happened do you think that

691
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:19,839
there's already been disclosure yeah

692
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:23,440
that's been one of the themes and the

693
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:26,049
various view up old presentation I given

694
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:28,690
and the point is there have been told

695
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,230
over and over and over again UFOs are

696
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:35,200
real so what do you mean by disclosure

697
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:39,640
if it's the reality of the phenomena I

698
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:42,700
mean it's been from presidents has been

699
00:39:52,019 --> 00:39:48,569
you know high ranking people Gorbachev

700
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:52,029
some of the former Soviet Union cases

701
00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:55,450
are exciting again global phenomena

702
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:58,230
high-level people all saying is real

703
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:01,170
how many times you have to be told we

704
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:04,970
think it's real before you know it takes

705
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:08,520
these recent article I was quoted in and

706
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:10,830
they told the author I said what I just

707
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:13,290
agreed to it they say the government has

708
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,460
been denying the reality of UFOs that's

709
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:20,190
just not true if said we're not

710
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:22,980
interested in general but as far as

711
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:25,350
denying reality you can go back to the

712
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:30,660
infamous twining memo from 1947 and it

713
00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:33,330
specifically states this is a real photo

714
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:37,550
it is not an illusion take it seriously

715
00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:41,850
so if reality is the issue now there's

716
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,230
others who say disclosure wants to mean

717
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:49,440
ET is here and for many people walking

718
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,150
among us that's another step but there

719
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,760
are in fact there was a rope or bolt on

720
00:41:00,859 --> 00:40:58,859
number of years ago that said the

721
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:00,869
estimate is 20 percent of the global

722
00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:07,290
population believed that that ET is

723
00:41:13,099 --> 00:41:10,350
physically present Wow

724
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:13,109
I would have no idea that it was that

725
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,230
does that mean as visiting in UFOs or do

726
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,660
you mean actually feet all right I think

727
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:20,220
most of them think that means walking

728
00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:24,270
around Wow I wasn't that so we have

729
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:26,790
people probably that we both know who

730
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:33,720
say I met ET right you know I have

731
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:36,570
problems with at my response because I

732
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:38,970
have addressed that in the presentations

733
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:44,160
as well is that if that is true not for

734
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:46,710
our benefit because he certainly has not

735
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:50,990
helped with the health poverty wars

736
00:41:59,420 --> 00:41:55,770
climate I mean pick your macro issue

737
00:42:03,170 --> 00:41:59,430
going on in the world today and have not

738
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,180
seen ET step into the sabres you know

739
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:05,520
but there were there are cases like for

740
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:08,010
instance of the aerial school is very

741
00:42:10,820 --> 00:42:10,320
convincing to me we've Alejandra and I

742
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:10,830
were talking

743
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:14,820
about that earlier and in that case and

744
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:16,860
a few others you know I think people

745
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:19,140
really have experienced I don't know I

746
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:20,820
can't say a hundred percent that they're

747
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:23,820
aliens but they're something that wasn't

748
00:42:33,350 --> 00:42:29,010
from here yeah and I think I do the

749
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,360
second chapter of my book has to do with

750
00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:36,000
Chris blood-stained yeah this is kind of

751
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,230
a dramatic case like a lot of people are

752
00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:42,660
familiar with him now but I was

753
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:45,870
physically down there what convinced me

754
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:52,350
of the reality was that my wife Victoria

755
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:54,330
and I and Chris and his daughter Emily

756
00:43:02,240 --> 00:42:56,660
had gone down to the Cape Fear River

757
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:02,250
where the incident first began and he

758
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:04,080
was explaining how everything occurred

759
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:06,390
and it was late afternoon by the time we

760
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,040
got back up to the car it was dark

761
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,780
Victoria and Emily got the car Chris and

762
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:15,240
I were leaning against the left front

763
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:17,850
fender and he's pointing out various

764
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,700
locations were things that happened and

765
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:22,200
all of a sudden eagles

766
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,130
oh I think they're here you know about

767
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:28,680
ten seconds this thing pops interview

768
00:43:34,850 --> 00:43:32,940
above us and with zipping off I don't

769
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:34,860
know what it was but it certainly fits

770
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:39,090
the reality of a UFO but the point was

771
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:41,370
the temporal relationship between him

772
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:44,610
saying I think they're here in the

773
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,390
incident occurring and as you know that

774
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:50,700
case goes on one of the major things was

775
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,220
that the following day a lot of

776
00:44:00,350 --> 00:43:56,520
intervening material here if he can read

777
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:00,360
the chapter or get the case but about

778
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:03,180
noon the next day he realized he had not

779
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:05,190
taken his medicine on the point was he

780
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:08,310
had had Crohn's disease which is a very

781
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:16,260
socially debilitating illness and since

782
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,690
that time and what had happened it had

783
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:21,420
an encounter with the et who had said oh

784
00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:23,510
we're here to help you

785
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:28,820
and after 12 years never took another

786
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,360
dose of medicine really amazing now I

787
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,640
know you know you mentioned the fact

788
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:36,800
that in your book you mentioned the fact

789
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:39,260
that Chris has taken a lot of you know a

790
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:41,450
lot of heat from the UFO community and

791
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:46,400
along with other people and so I was

792
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,230
kind of curious how you got involved

793
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:51,200
with checking it out you know with that

794
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:53,990
in mind you know checking out what was

795
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:00,140
going on with Chris I had a sponsor in

796
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:02,750
that case who was interested who knew

797
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:05,500
Chris and was helping him and

798
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:07,910
facilitated me going down there and

799
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:11,450
spending the time with him an amazing

800
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:13,310
family by the way

801
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:17,420
and they have coalesced predominate

802
00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:19,970
because of the nastiness of the quote

803
00:45:29,590 --> 00:45:25,640
UFO community I've got to say in reality

804
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:29,600
the incidents that he described are

805
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:34,390
pretty hard to believe yes but like my

806
00:45:40,570 --> 00:45:37,060
response was having had a personal

807
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:40,580
experience with it that's the piece that

808
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:43,250
got my attention there's other aspects

809
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:45,650
of the story including a tree he's got a

810
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:49,130
pretty big backyard and the tree in

811
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:50,840
there that had caught fire

812
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:53,810
internally I watched certain things

813
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:58,700
occur around that that for me personally

814
00:46:06,850 --> 00:46:02,800
hard to deny another aspect of it is he

815
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:06,860
periodically gets both still and videos

816
00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:10,370
of orbs that appear sometimes in the

817
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:13,220
visual spectrum sometimes not until

818
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:17,170
actually filmed but this was not

819
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:20,330
certainly not a one-time event it kind

820
00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:24,230
of so continues I know I've met Chris a

821
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:27,380
few years ago he was up here in Maine at

822
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:29,060
a conference and I got to set talked

823
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:31,580
with him for a while real nice real nice

824
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:35,360
gentleman really enjoy talking to him

825
00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:37,370
and he seemed

826
00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:40,460
very authentic to me but you write the

827
00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:43,940
story his story is really bizarre and

828
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:48,320
and I remember when I first read about

829
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:50,150
it was thinking wow you know this is

830
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:54,140
like you know it seemed almost

831
00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:57,230
impossible but you know the more things

832
00:47:03,310 --> 00:47:00,050
like this of you know since you have

833
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,320
seen actually this happened I just think

834
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:04,880
it lends a little more credibility and

835
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:06,950
maybe people should really take a look

836
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:09,290
at it when you get this independent

837
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,640
verification means a lot and the tree

838
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:15,920
that did you say in your book that has

839
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:17,810
people are claiming it has some type of

840
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:19,610
healing powers or am I thinking of some

841
00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:23,450
friends yes yep well people do think it

842
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:26,180
has a healing power and they would

843
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:29,360
actually send articles of clothing to

844
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:31,370
him when he would put it in there and

845
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:33,290
then return them or people who come out

846
00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:36,410
and visit leave articles there for a

847
00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:38,660
while and have them returned to patients

848
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:42,140
I don't know of any studies that you

849
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:45,470
know validate specific healings but

850
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:48,230
again I personally saw some things that

851
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:52,070
took place there that certainly

852
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:54,050
convinced me that something is going on

853
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:56,450
I remember someone telling a story about

854
00:48:05,920 --> 00:47:58,760
a dog and something really strange

855
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:05,930
happened there did you ever hear okay it

856
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:09,740
said help oh when Ray was there no no

857
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:11,750
this happened down at his house I saw

858
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:15,440
ray just about a month ago that I was

859
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:19,310
done with his house in Miami and he and

860
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:21,500
his wife were describing hey this is one

861
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:25,370
where they had a very old dog it was

862
00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:28,190
literally physically on his last legs

863
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:32,840
and he came down he was able to show me

864
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:35,050
all of the location he's written this up

865
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:40,220
extensively but came downstairs and his

866
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:43,970
wife and the dog disappear and we're

867
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,570
truncating the story dramatically

868
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:48,960
instead of being concerned

869
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:51,720
and he does not explain why or how and

870
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:54,930
cannot he goes back up and goes back to

871
00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,760
bed and you know comes down later wife

872
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,980
and dog is there and the dog is acting

873
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:04,020
like a puppy

874
00:49:10,819 --> 00:49:06,030
totally cared and they were just about

875
00:49:12,099 --> 00:49:10,829
to have the dog euthanized have lived

876
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:12,109
for another year

877
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:16,680
amazing amazing so with this book

878
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:23,400
reality denied you this is like oh I

879
00:49:27,799 --> 00:49:25,410
mean you've had an amazing life how many

880
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:27,809
continents have you gone to how many

881
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,890
countries have you visited two different

882
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:34,740
questions as I say we've been to all

883
00:49:40,579 --> 00:49:38,790
eight continents so just over a year ago

884
00:49:44,059 --> 00:49:40,589
they I know they thought there were only

885
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:44,069
seven and New Zealand er has been added

886
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:48,420
to that have been on all of them and I

887
00:49:53,059 --> 00:49:49,650
don't know I guess we're approaching a

888
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:53,069
hundred countries like that wow that's

889
00:49:57,980 --> 00:49:55,770
amazing so I know there was another

890
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:57,990
question Lea wanted me to ask you and

891
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,130
that is and like I said I may not be

892
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,980
able to take calls so the question was

893
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:07,140
something along the lines where you have

894
00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:10,230
done all these amazing thing all these

895
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:12,500
amazing things and has anything actually

896
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:17,430
scared you I talked to Lee earlier today

897
00:50:24,859 --> 00:50:22,230
so he was expecting that one my response

898
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,869
is anybody who says they have not been

899
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:27,599
afraid is at some point is fooling

900
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,720
themselves my response to him was not

901
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,640
because of interactions with creepy

902
00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:38,160
crawlers or something like that I will

903
00:50:47,319 --> 00:50:41,790
say the incident that I think really got

904
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:47,329
my concern off was we were in Israel and

905
00:51:01,329 --> 00:50:52,200
in the Jerusalem area just out the east

906
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:01,339
side of the old old city and that day

907
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:03,070
there

908
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:06,260
yeah mid-morning now but early that

909
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:07,850
morning there has been an attack near

910
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:12,770
Gaza and IDF had killed a number of

911
00:51:21,850 --> 00:51:17,020
Palestinians and so the tensions were

912
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:21,860
definitely up and we were Victoria and I

913
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:23,210
were by ourselves

914
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:25,190
meaning no guide or anything walking

915
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:27,260
around trying to find some things and

916
00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:30,950
she is insisting on going to certain

917
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:35,360
sites and we have Palestinian to control

918
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:38,600
the thing you can't do that I was

919
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:41,980
hearing talk in the background and

920
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:45,310
frankly turned to her and said Victoria

921
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:50,060
we shouldn't be here but that was a very

922
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:53,480
physical potential I think you do need

923
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:55,580
to have your own situational awareness

924
00:52:00,700 --> 00:51:57,730
in cases like that

925
00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:00,710
you can't go blundering along as The

926
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:04,360
Ugly American and think that your

927
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,410
Americanism is going to protect you

928
00:52:12,070 --> 00:52:09,680
there right right yeah I've been in I

929
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:12,080
was in a situation in Russia that scared

930
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:15,380
the heck out of me and it was you know

931
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:18,290
but I survived and get out of it and you

932
00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:20,510
know and I don't speak Russian so I felt

933
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:24,020
pretty lucky so I want to talk about

934
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,380
some of the chapters in your book one of

935
00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:30,800
them being voodoo but before that I know

936
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:32,990
that you looked into I didn't get a

937
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:35,020
chance to read your entire book but I I

938
00:52:41,290 --> 00:52:37,550
got you know part way through it but I

939
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:41,300
know that you were working or looking

940
00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:45,320
into the energy and I'm trying to figure

941
00:52:55,570 --> 00:52:51,740
out which that is that was that what's

942
00:53:00,730 --> 00:52:55,580
that that's what I'm talking about yes

943
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:00,740
yeah yeah that was most interesting this

944
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:08,150
was back in early 80s when I was in the

945
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:11,960
intelligence community we were presented

946
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:12,910
with

947
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:18,610
a short film that was most remarkable in

948
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:23,070
that it prepared or appeared to have

949
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:26,920
items that would levitate some of them

950
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:30,220
would accelerate the things that would

951
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:33,700
happen just a wide range of issues for

952
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:39,490
instance part of the film had a rat tail

953
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:43,720
file that was held between two boards

954
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:48,880
and exposed to this field and the file

955
00:53:55,020 --> 00:53:51,670
heated out if you're familiar with the

956
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:55,030
old filament in lightbulbs it was like

957
00:54:00,600 --> 00:53:57,250
that but then think of you know you're

958
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:00,610
talking a quarter-inch thick file and to

959
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:05,800
the point where it burns burns brightly

960
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:08,370
and then disintegrates and falls down

961
00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:11,980
two aspects to it the wood was holding

962
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:14,860
it was not burned and the people who

963
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:16,710
were present said they reached him

964
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:19,270
immediately and picked up the items and

965
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:26,850
they were cold what happened was John

966
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:29,500
interesting friends still in contact but

967
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:32,020
from a scientific perspective your worst

968
00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:36,670
nightmare was not educated in the

969
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:42,280
classical sense have was not could not

970
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:46,450
control of what was going on but anyway

971
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:50,470
he had been kicked out of his home one

972
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:52,120
of the problems was he was using his

973
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,350
lots of high power electronics he had

974
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:58,720
Tesla coils and one day one of the

975
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:00,670
things he had done was to look at Nikola

976
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:05,230
Tesla's workshop and look at the bench

977
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:08,530
and try to figure out what items he had

978
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:11,230
what he was doing and he would collect

979
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:13,840
all this stuff and just had it going

980
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:16,690
well the problem this is a the old days

981
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:19,090
when television waves went through the

982
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:23,950
air yeah so he was creating a kind of an

983
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:26,560
electrical storm

984
00:55:32,310 --> 00:55:29,890
the apartment he was staying in bleeding

985
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,320
over into the neighbors who were quite

986
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:36,400
unhappy so he had to tear it down and we

987
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:41,490
had them reconstructed at a site and

988
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:43,630
there were some things that happened

989
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:47,350
that I'm convinced were real the problem

990
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:51,370
was that again the lack of control and

991
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:54,550
we have previously agreed upon the

992
00:55:59,850 --> 00:55:56,650
specific Show and Tell and I brought in

993
00:56:03,650 --> 00:55:59,860
a cadre of people from both my

994
00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:03,660
organization and from Los Alamos and

995
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:06,580
absolutely nothing happened while we

996
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:10,360
watched it but five of the six people

997
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:12,670
who were there were convinced that some

998
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:18,250
of these things probably did occur John

999
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:20,530
continues to do some very innovative

1000
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:24,390
research to this day he's he's basically

1001
00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:30,450
his goal is as sort of like along the

1002
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:34,080
free energy or something like that is

1003
00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:37,810
well known as the Hutchison effect and

1004
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:40,300
people can go on YouTube and that and

1005
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:43,570
see various demonstrations of things

1006
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:47,230
that have occurred the saving grace in

1007
00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:49,180
our case was a guy my name is George

1008
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:52,120
Hathaway was an electrical engineer and

1009
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:56,190
lived in Toronto who had taken all

1010
00:57:04,500 --> 00:56:59,410
measurements of where everything's bet

1011
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:04,510
and he also still has a tremendous

1012
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:07,000
number of samples of the various

1013
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:10,390
materials I do have in reality denied

1014
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:13,510
I've got one or two pictures in there of

1015
00:57:22,830 --> 00:57:20,200
some of the shattering the for instance

1016
00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:22,840
I remember there was a crankshaft

1017
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:25,780
remember this guy was totally unfunded

1018
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:27,880
and he got his material literally by

1019
00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:31,300
going to you know junk stores or junk

1020
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:34,360
shops and you know retrieving items but

1021
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:39,190
he had a crankshaft from a vehicle that

1022
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:40,270
had been exposed

1023
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:43,750
to it and then they took it to BC Hydro

1024
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:48,490
for analysis and 1m though this is a

1025
00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:52,810
single piece of metal right so one end

1026
00:58:02,300 --> 00:57:56,080
is case hardened steel and the other

1027
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:02,310
exposed to this field is soft as lead

1028
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:04,630
you know how you explain those things

1029
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:09,460
happening we have partial deformation of

1030
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:13,330
the materials hard to say we never could

1031
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:15,580
get it under control and I turned over

1032
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:20,260
Jack Hulk the TK party Fame who was that

1033
00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:24,850
McDonnell Douglas also tried to fund

1034
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:27,460
some experiments again you just never

1035
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,290
got it quite hardest well yeah I did way

1036
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:34,240
back number of years ago well probably

1037
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:35,800
two or three years ago I did watch a

1038
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:38,050
couple videos that I thought was pretty

1039
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:40,420
interesting on YouTube

1040
00:58:44,790 --> 00:58:42,730
and speaking of free energy I know you

1041
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,800
mentioned before you know perhaps our

1042
00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:46,480
conflicts would be over in the Middle

1043
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:47,620
East and things like that

1044
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:50,800
if we could figure out some type of

1045
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:53,290
energy source but wouldn't that it would

1046
00:58:59,130 --> 00:58:55,480
almost be a situation where it would be

1047
00:59:02,670 --> 00:58:59,140
a world disaster and then rebuild upon

1048
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:02,680
that in a way all right let me hear what

1049
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:06,010
your thoughts are well again if you go

1050
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:08,140
back if you have a major energy

1051
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:11,290
breakthrough it takes two to three

1052
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:14,320
decades before you have inculcated us

1053
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:16,990
across the world there would be some

1054
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:20,050
changes frankly people say well it's

1055
00:59:24,570 --> 00:59:22,360
going to be suppressed by the energy

1056
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:24,580
industry and all that I say not at all

1057
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:28,510
because the people who own energy and we

1058
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:31,180
know one of the major problems in the

1059
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,330
u.s. today is disparity of wealth from

1060
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:36,660
this but potentially making it worse

1061
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:38,950
others would say well no you can get

1062
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:40,750
free energy because you could reduce

1063
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:46,660
Energy's cost but whoever owns the stock

1064
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:48,730
and the companies now are the same ones

1065
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:51,070
who are going to buy the stock and own

1066
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,859
the infrastructure

1067
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,440
whatever comes along so I don't think it

1068
01:00:03,829 --> 00:59:58,400
changes what does change is

1069
01:00:07,459 --> 01:00:03,839
geo-strategically again reliance oil

1070
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:07,469
from Middle East or Venezuela there

1071
01:00:13,489 --> 01:00:10,130
would be winners of losers and countries

1072
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:13,499
much as there are now for economies that

1073
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:16,890
are dependent primarily on fossil fuels

1074
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:20,900
oil in particular as the price

1075
01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:24,890
fluctuation I think the price would drop

1076
01:00:31,339 --> 01:00:27,509
dramatically there but the availability

1077
01:00:34,489 --> 01:00:31,349
of energy would change things but again

1078
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:34,499
it would not be overnight like flipping

1079
01:00:40,729 --> 01:00:38,579
a switch it would the entrepreneurs who

1080
01:00:44,269 --> 01:00:40,739
got ahead of a power curve would create

1081
01:00:47,449 --> 01:00:44,279
the companies that again disperse the

1082
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:47,459
energy generate and disperse the energy

1083
01:00:51,709 --> 01:00:49,650
of the future I know there's a lot of

1084
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:51,719
people that I've have a fertile number

1085
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,190
of people say that everything would be

1086
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:56,160
suppressed like you just mentioned you

1087
01:01:01,299 --> 01:00:58,170
know that their thoughts of what would

1088
01:01:04,489 --> 01:01:01,309
happen and oppress suppressed you know

1089
01:01:08,449 --> 01:01:04,499
you know any invention would be

1090
01:01:12,469 --> 01:01:08,459
surprised oh yeah that you'd have to

1091
01:01:14,449 --> 01:01:12,479
know about it is that they again you

1092
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,459
look at a purely economic so that's

1093
01:01:18,949 --> 01:01:16,680
their position is the oil industry

1094
01:01:21,979 --> 01:01:18,959
excetera no no those are owned by people

1095
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:21,989
I imagine the Koch brothers would turn

1096
01:01:28,249 --> 01:01:26,160
on a dime yes just go into the you know

1097
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,259
development of those energy sources

1098
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:31,440
along with others again the the the

1099
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,529
people who can capitalize the

1100
01:01:37,029 --> 01:01:35,880
restructuring of the infrastructure are

1101
01:01:40,059 --> 01:01:37,039
the ones who are the long-term

1102
01:01:44,019 --> 01:01:40,069
beneficiaries and they don't they're not

1103
01:01:46,459 --> 01:01:44,029
wedded to oil and recognize that

1104
01:01:48,739 --> 01:01:46,469
significant problems for the reliance on

1105
01:01:51,709 --> 01:01:48,749
fossil fuels and particularly this is an

1106
01:01:57,339 --> 01:01:51,719
extraction industry which means there is

1107
01:02:03,049 --> 01:01:57,349
a finite supply of oil it's yes big but

1108
01:02:04,579 --> 01:02:03,059
it is finite right absolutely and I

1109
01:02:06,279 --> 01:02:04,589
remember when I was in high school they

1110
01:02:08,439 --> 01:02:06,289
were saying that

1111
01:02:11,259 --> 01:02:08,449
there was enough oil for 30 years they

1112
01:02:13,809 --> 01:02:11,269
were wrong about that but still it is

1113
01:02:15,909 --> 01:02:13,819
still finite and you know when they get

1114
01:02:18,729 --> 01:02:15,919
into doing fracking and things like that

1115
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:18,739
you know it's it's a it's a can be a

1116
01:02:23,259 --> 01:02:20,329
problem

1117
01:02:26,999 --> 01:02:23,269
so uri geller i want to talk about him

1118
01:02:30,269 --> 01:02:27,009
he did the foreword for your book i know

1119
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:30,279
you know ray stanford knows him well

1120
01:02:38,259 --> 01:02:34,400
he's quite an amazing guy getting into

1121
01:02:40,959 --> 01:02:38,269
the metal bending that is fascinating

1122
01:02:46,539 --> 01:02:40,969
have you actually witnessed this

1123
01:02:47,409 --> 01:02:46,549
firsthand I didn't get to that chapter

1124
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:47,419
no I'm sorry

1125
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:53,209
yeah I used to keep that you'll find

1126
01:02:57,219 --> 01:02:55,160
videos will be describing some of the

1127
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,229
incidents that happened oh this was one

1128
01:03:02,130 --> 01:02:59,599
of the things in the intelligence

1129
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:02,140
community that we got interested in

1130
01:03:07,779 --> 01:03:05,660
while earlier is a personal friend and

1131
01:03:11,799 --> 01:03:07,789
I've seen some pretty remarkable things

1132
01:03:16,409 --> 01:03:11,809
occur around him the big impetus for the

1133
01:03:21,909 --> 01:03:19,689
McDonnell Douglas who created what

1134
01:03:27,370 --> 01:03:21,919
became known as spoon bending parties or

1135
01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:27,380
PKM B and the short answer to your

1136
01:03:32,589 --> 01:03:30,140
question we said yes we saw some really

1137
01:03:36,099 --> 01:03:32,599
amazing incidents and again the book

1138
01:03:41,409 --> 01:03:36,109
describes a variety of them and in fact

1139
01:03:47,249 --> 01:03:41,419
the appendix in the book is a how-to to

1140
01:03:51,789 --> 01:03:47,259
run your own PK party mmm-hmm about that

1141
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:51,799
and how how do you is that explainable

1142
01:03:59,079 --> 01:03:55,849
in any type of way how's that done how

1143
01:04:01,419 --> 01:03:59,089
can that possibly be done I'm not sure

1144
01:04:03,609 --> 01:04:01,429
what the question is if you're talking

1145
01:04:05,620 --> 01:04:03,619
about the procedures you get there yeah

1146
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:05,630
we understand that if you're talking

1147
01:04:12,669 --> 01:04:08,630
about the underlying mechanisms yeah

1148
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:12,679
Ezrin know and some of the big issues

1149
01:04:24,910 --> 01:04:19,250
are you know whether or not energy is

1150
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:24,920
toaster can be conserved what we did

1151
01:04:29,830 --> 01:04:27,230
discover and we actually had taken a

1152
01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:29,840
number of items that here appear to have

1153
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:34,280
spontaneous a significant bending and

1154
01:04:39,220 --> 01:04:38,090
when you grind them up and look at under

1155
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:39,230
the microscope

1156
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:45,350
it looks like heat and a tremendous

1157
01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:47,480
amount of heat but we know that there

1158
01:04:55,870 --> 01:04:52,120
was no heat present we also know that

1159
01:05:00,190 --> 01:04:55,880
again using the cutlery example that

1160
01:05:03,850 --> 01:05:00,200
there were certain types of extruded and

1161
01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:03,860
stamped different ways of forming

1162
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:08,980
cutlery and seems to make a difference

1163
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:13,220
Bob John who you know had the Princeton

1164
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,200
pear lab we were at actually our naval

1165
01:05:24,310 --> 01:05:20,720
research lab with a meeting discovering

1166
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:24,320
these things and he his supposition was

1167
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:28,130
that you're where you're functioning is

1168
01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:30,290
a more fundamental level than physical

1169
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:32,870
and that's a level of information ie

1170
01:05:39,550 --> 01:05:37,040
what is it that tells the spoon to be a

1171
01:05:43,210 --> 01:05:39,560
spoon and holds it in that configuration

1172
01:05:46,330 --> 01:05:43,220
and that you basically are per debating

1173
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:46,340
the information structure as opposed to

1174
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:52,160
the energy structure Wow and if so if

1175
01:06:00,040 --> 01:05:56,350
you're like down to the atomic level

1176
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:00,050
basically it just changes there's a

1177
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:04,130
molecular Wow look at you know the

1178
01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:06,170
changes that have taken place you can

1179
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:15,660
there was one more UFO question that was

1180
01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:18,080
someone wanted to ask you and that was

1181
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:21,830
with your experience in the UFO field do

1182
01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:23,630
you think that we are being visited by

1183
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:25,940
nuts-and-bolts craft or something that

1184
01:06:35,370 --> 01:06:32,970
we just don't understand yes

1185
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:35,380
that's a good answer maybe we don't

1186
01:06:42,030 --> 01:06:37,480
understood we do not understand

1187
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:42,040
nuts-and-bolts craft either I do believe

1188
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,330
that certainly some of the observations

1189
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:48,880
of the Great's are absolutely physical I

1190
01:06:56,730 --> 01:06:52,540
think they may be transitory from a

1191
01:06:59,760 --> 01:06:56,740
temporal perspective but when you know

1192
01:07:02,430 --> 01:06:59,770
again my UFO presentations I start out

1193
01:07:07,170 --> 01:07:02,440
with a simple question like what do you

1194
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:07,180
mean by that I'm questioning well I've

1195
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:08,890
got little balls of light but float

1196
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:13,090
around I have hard crafts that are a

1197
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:15,220
mile two miles across

1198
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:18,450
you know just absolutely gigantic and

1199
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:22,980
thousands of variations in between so

1200
01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:26,110
you know what tell me again what you

1201
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:29,980
mean you know and again we know we're

1202
01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:33,280
injunctive quintessential book on this

1203
01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:35,260
was that you know they have been

1204
01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:38,500
reported for millennia I might

1205
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:42,040
extrapolate a step further as question

1206
01:07:48,210 --> 01:07:45,180
usually follows and that has to do with

1207
01:07:51,810 --> 01:07:48,220
visitations and interactions I point out

1208
01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:51,820
we have had reports of interactions

1209
01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:56,280
between humans and sentient humans

1210
01:08:02,940 --> 01:07:58,990
throughout the entirety of human history

1211
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:02,950
and all cultures and one of the things

1212
01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:05,680
that new is oh by the way they flew in

1213
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:09,040
on a little craft of some kind but these

1214
01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:11,800
interactions have always been there yeah

1215
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:14,980
yeah I when I was speaking with someone

1216
01:08:22,099 --> 01:08:18,880
about the topic not on the show but in

1217
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:22,109
the house or I think it was they said

1218
01:08:26,970 --> 01:08:24,850
something along the lines were you know

1219
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:26,980
there's always been something but they

1220
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,750
were they were talking about it's always

1221
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,120
been some type of fantasy like fairies

1222
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:35,040
and leprechauns things like that bill

1223
01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:37,990
and again if you look into the culture

1224
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:42,160
you know you go to Hawaii and spent

1225
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:46,720
years out there the Menehune

1226
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:49,810
so the we poker little folks appear

1227
01:09:01,470 --> 01:08:59,970
all right another part of your book that

1228
01:09:03,870 --> 01:09:01,480
I actually did get to read Because was

1229
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,880
toward the beginning and I thought was

1230
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:05,440
really interesting because I've had

1231
01:09:13,170 --> 01:09:07,690
first-hand experience actually and

1232
01:09:16,979 --> 01:09:13,180
that's healing and healers and that is

1233
01:09:20,370 --> 01:09:16,989
that is a reality of mine that like I

1234
01:09:22,829 --> 01:09:20,380
said I've had it happen firsthand that I

1235
01:09:25,559 --> 01:09:22,839
didn't believe it even until it actually

1236
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:25,569
happened and I thought it was ridiculous

1237
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:29,770
I saw you you talk about when you you

1238
01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:35,440
fell back and you found yourself I was a

1239
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:38,980
recipient okay and I'll just tell them I

1240
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,980
started real real quickly is I had

1241
01:09:46,890 --> 01:09:44,080
terrible chronic back pain for about

1242
01:09:48,570 --> 01:09:46,900
five years and it just it just every day

1243
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:48,580
every morning every night I couldn't

1244
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,180
sleep

1245
01:09:54,660 --> 01:09:51,279
it was terrible and I was on a plane I

1246
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:54,670
was on a flight and heading up toward

1247
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,600
the area where I was living and I was

1248
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:01,360
talking about it and someone said well

1249
01:10:07,470 --> 01:10:05,260
you know there's this healer and and a

1250
01:10:10,770 --> 01:10:07,480
little chapel up in Maine and you should

1251
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:10,780
go and I'm thinking oh so my girlfriend

1252
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:12,940
was there and she said my girlfriend at

1253
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:15,070
the time she said let's just go so

1254
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:19,600
anyway I had an open mind enough to go

1255
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:22,060
and then I'm in this little chapel in

1256
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:24,070
this little tiny woman about 4 foot

1257
01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:26,530
something real small lady she was really

1258
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:28,720
cute she was doing the rosary and I'm

1259
01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:30,250
thinking let's get out of here you know

1260
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,620
this is ridiculous and and then she

1261
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:34,860
asked if anyone needed to be healed and

1262
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:37,660
people would get up and then she would

1263
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:39,850
say a couple things and touch them and

1264
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:41,290
they'd fall back and I said that's it

1265
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,100
I'm leaving

1266
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:45,040
so my girlfriend said no you're not

1267
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:46,780
leaving you're going up there and I said

1268
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:48,670
you know we came all the way up here we

1269
01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:51,520
spent the day getting here let's go so I

1270
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:55,420
got up in the woman asked me what my

1271
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,420
problem was I said my back pain and

1272
01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:01,120
so she put her hand on my back and if

1273
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:05,020
you gave me $10,000 I couldn't stand up

1274
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:07,510
I fell back and she didn't even push me

1275
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:11,260
I fell back and someone caught me and I

1276
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,170
was I was on the floor and then my never

1277
01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:17,820
had back pain again it was gone so I

1278
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:21,460
know as crazy as that sounds it happened

1279
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:25,930
and it worked and I talked to the woman

1280
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,810
I ran into her somehow like a year or

1281
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:30,640
two later she's she's no longer with us

1282
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:33,040
but I ran into her and I said how did

1283
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:34,870
you do that and she said I don't know

1284
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:37,060
she said I don't know I just had you

1285
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:40,750
know she claims that she almost died one

1286
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:43,510
time and she survived and ever since

1287
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:53,040
that time she was able to do that a lot

1288
01:12:00,000 --> 01:11:56,470
like aggressive slightly but I'll come

1289
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:00,010
back to it and that's the near-death

1290
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:03,670
experience point that we can talk about

1291
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:06,460
that you know I did my doctorate under

1292
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:07,980
Elizabeth kubler-ross

1293
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,110
and so the issue was we thought

1294
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:19,840
initially the NDEs were a discrete event

1295
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:21,970
that happened over a very brief period

1296
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:25,120
of time well things that we learned and

1297
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:27,490
studying it I became the president of

1298
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:29,950
AIIMS the International Association of

1299
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:34,480
near-death studies for a while and what

1300
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:37,450
we found is that these events tend to

1301
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:41,490
continue and people become precognitive

1302
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,170
they become you know psychokinetic

1303
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:48,880
capabilities and healing kinds of things

1304
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,110
does seem to follow exactly why oh I

1305
01:12:59,240 --> 01:12:55,480
can't give a good reason as to why all

1306
01:13:03,630 --> 01:12:59,250
we can say is these events do curb

1307
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:03,640
yeah it to me that was um you know I

1308
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:06,310
just I I remember being on the ground in

1309
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:07,720
the same what I'm you know kind of like

1310
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:09,490
it happened to you you know you're

1311
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:11,080
saying why were you on the couch or

1312
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:12,340
whatever

1313
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:14,770
how did that happen and that's kind of

1314
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:17,410
how I felt no it was just really really

1315
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:22,140
amazing so well I have another chapter

1316
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:26,050
books is equally amazing and that is on

1317
01:13:33,260 --> 01:13:29,890
the Crystal Skull right yes we short got

1318
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:33,270
to see the mitchell-hedges Crystal Skull

1319
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:37,420
which is probably a fake I mean all the

1320
01:13:46,979 --> 01:13:39,850
indications are that yeah it probably is

1321
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:46,989
a fake but even so we were there again

1322
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:49,660
long story short had seen this and like

1323
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:51,730
you I'm standing in front of it there's

1324
01:13:57,780 --> 01:13:54,340
a medium there waves her hand and in

1325
01:13:59,970 --> 01:13:57,790
front of me the next thing I know I have

1326
01:14:03,420 --> 01:13:59,980
fallen backwards on my case there was an

1327
01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:03,430
individual a male a little bigger than I

1328
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:05,230
was who was saying they're prepared to

1329
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:08,260
catch me and yet I knocked him over and

1330
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:12,190
we both ended up you know on top of a

1331
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:16,420
couch if you you know and cannot explain

1332
01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:20,219
how they happened why it happened but I

1333
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:23,200
remember feeling a slight wave and I was

1334
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:27,489
getting ready to catch myself and you

1335
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:32,110
know I say next thing I know I am waking

1336
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:35,200
up pops up of this guy was going

1337
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:45,450
you know I went to the Expo 67 in

1338
01:14:50,370 --> 01:14:48,550
Montreal Canada you know years after it

1339
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:50,380
was still open you could go visit I

1340
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:52,750
think it was although in the 70s at some

1341
01:14:58,440 --> 01:14:54,100
point I was there and I remember there

1342
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,450
was a Crystal Skull there I was staring

1343
01:15:03,360 --> 01:14:59,920
at it and they said they thought it was

1344
01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:03,370
ancient and there are a number of these

1345
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:06,580
known around aren't there yes there are

1346
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:09,460
several and in fact in the folklore they

1347
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:12,130
were supposed to be you know when 13

1348
01:15:16,419 --> 01:15:14,290
were brought together we were going to

1349
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:16,429
have transformation of the world

1350
01:15:25,299 --> 01:15:19,489
you know all kinds of things that happen

1351
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:25,309
this one was reportedly found in what

1352
01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:28,670
was then British Honduras no Belize my

1353
01:15:34,419 --> 01:15:31,400
Anna herself think it was planted by her

1354
01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:34,429
father's but and supposedly very very

1355
01:15:42,339 --> 01:15:38,840
ancient but examination of it pretty

1356
01:15:45,459 --> 01:15:42,349
much indicated machine-tooled

1357
01:15:49,839 --> 01:15:45,469
may be in the 40s or and you could

1358
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:49,849
follow him but my point was even though

1359
01:15:53,709 --> 01:15:52,249
I'm pretty sure was now that it was a

1360
01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:53,719
fake yeah

1361
01:16:05,890 --> 01:16:01,120
and one of the things I know one of the

1362
01:16:08,469 --> 01:16:05,900
chapters I was reading I think it maybe

1363
01:16:13,839 --> 01:16:08,479
it was back to healing again was that

1364
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:13,849
they tried cotton and things on mice as

1365
01:16:23,379 --> 01:16:19,209
they weren't influenced by the powerful

1366
01:16:27,549 --> 01:16:23,389
people as well in my case my brother had

1367
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:27,559
had an operation and we sent him some of

1368
01:16:37,959 --> 01:16:34,400
the church cotton and had immediate pain

1369
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:37,969
relief and interestingly you treat and

1370
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:41,329
just as if it were you know disposable

1371
01:16:47,739 --> 01:16:45,590
medical item you know just like you

1372
01:16:53,259 --> 01:16:47,749
throw away buddy cause it caused or

1373
01:16:55,899 --> 01:16:53,269
something like that so yeah this was

1374
01:16:58,629 --> 01:16:55,909
we'd worked with Bill Bengston of the

1375
01:17:01,209 --> 01:16:58,639
Bengston healing method and anybody who

1376
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:01,219
goes to his website will get redirected

1377
01:17:10,029 --> 01:17:05,449
to the availability of the cotton which

1378
01:17:14,739 --> 01:17:10,039
is prayed over and see why I had another

1379
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:14,749
friend who has since died who had throat

1380
01:17:23,919 --> 01:17:20,510
cancer and used it and said certainly

1381
01:17:27,339 --> 01:17:23,929
pain relief as I say eventually crossed

1382
01:17:28,879 --> 01:17:27,349
over but thought that he got tremendous

1383
01:17:33,139 --> 01:17:28,889
relief

1384
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:33,149
from using it amazing just amazing you

1385
01:17:38,449 --> 01:17:36,360
know the the one thing I chapter I'm

1386
01:17:40,909 --> 01:17:38,459
going to get to sooner or later because

1387
01:17:45,409 --> 01:17:40,919
it kind of fascinates me is the Voodoo

1388
01:17:47,389 --> 01:17:45,419
and I know you know voodoo is kind of

1389
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:47,399
misused a lot of times you know people

1390
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:49,320
just think about the doll and you stick

1391
01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:51,719
pins into it but there's a lot more to

1392
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:55,619
it can you talk a little bit my point to

1393
01:18:01,549 --> 01:17:57,300
Americans is everything you think you

1394
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:01,559
know about voodoo is wrong you know and

1395
01:18:10,759 --> 01:18:04,530
ours comes from television and movies

1396
01:18:13,009 --> 01:18:10,769
and whatnot now we were in West Africa

1397
01:18:15,979 --> 01:18:13,019
at the time which was the cradle of

1398
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:15,989
innocence we're back in the DOM and

1399
01:18:25,699 --> 01:18:21,110
Empire the Spiritist religions evolved

1400
01:18:27,799 --> 01:18:25,709
but it is not just a religion or

1401
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:27,809
something you do it is an entire way of

1402
01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:33,780
life everything they do in boudu is you

1403
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:36,030
know it totally integrated dealing with

1404
01:18:41,799 --> 01:18:39,570
the spirit world as well the step that I

1405
01:18:45,529 --> 01:18:41,809
thought was a bit far we had a guy who

1406
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:45,539
remained in contact with and when the

1407
01:18:58,100 --> 01:18:51,209
Ebola crisis broke out indicated that he

1408
01:19:01,129 --> 01:18:58,110
thought that Togo would be spared and it

1409
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,139
was but I'm not sure I finally go so far

1410
01:19:06,589 --> 01:19:04,320
as there but the most interesting and

1411
01:19:09,639 --> 01:19:06,599
you'll see the pictures of it in there

1412
01:19:13,759 --> 01:19:09,649
what we saw them dealing with fire

1413
01:19:16,639 --> 01:19:13,769
standing in it sitting in it holding it

1414
01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:16,649
in their mouth I've got video taken at

1415
01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:19,380
very close range it is holding it for

1416
01:19:26,089 --> 01:19:23,699
you know more than a minute and inhaling

1417
01:19:29,540 --> 01:19:26,099
and exhaling and seeing it brighten up

1418
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:29,550
as the air passes over it I took that

1419
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:30,510
too

1420
01:19:36,529 --> 01:19:34,260
I know key magicians here in Las Vegas

1421
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:36,539
we have lots of them but this is Jeff

1422
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:40,739
McBride whose magicians magician and he

1423
01:19:45,140 --> 01:19:41,880
trains

1424
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:45,150
the best ones and had him look at that

1425
01:19:50,150 --> 01:19:48,210
and just said nope that's absolutely

1426
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:50,160
real he showed me some of the tricks

1427
01:19:57,230 --> 01:19:54,090
that can be applied but what they're

1428
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,240
doing is real I might mention people

1429
01:20:02,180 --> 01:19:59,760
have said well they have some magical

1430
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:02,190
appointment that they put on to protect

1431
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:05,250
themselves I said this is a poverty

1432
01:20:14,590 --> 01:20:08,850
level that looks up to Dirk oh no they

1433
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:14,600
have not gotten magical you know proper

1434
01:20:20,410 --> 01:20:17,370
materials that they apply to themselves

1435
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:20,420
that protects them from the flame you

1436
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:23,610
know you in the title of your there

1437
01:20:31,370 --> 01:20:28,110
subtitle you know things that can't

1438
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:31,380
happen but did so that's exactly you

1439
01:20:35,210 --> 01:20:32,850
know an incident right there that you're

1440
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:35,220
talking about that's what it it defies

1441
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,880
the laws of thermodynamics absolutely

1442
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:41,280
and you know it's the same with well I

1443
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:42,780
don't know if there's more to walking on

1444
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:44,610
coals since then what you're talking

1445
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:49,380
about right there but yeah how how how

1446
01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:52,140
did that I mean that's that's something

1447
01:20:56,030 --> 01:20:53,640
I would think that somewhat you know

1448
01:20:58,450 --> 01:20:56,040
going back to we're talking about UFOs

1449
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,460
and science you know it seems seems like

1450
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:01,440
the science community what community

1451
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:03,090
would want to know how that's done if

1452
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:06,170
it's indeed can't be any type of magic

1453
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:11,810
well they tend to just ignore it the

1454
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:14,400
premises it can't be therefore it isn't

1455
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:16,410
and by the way I'm not going to be

1456
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:20,760
bothered looking why waste my time was

1457
01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:24,770
something I know can't happen yeah yeah

1458
01:21:33,620 --> 01:21:30,060
amazing which is it is it's too bad and

1459
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:33,630
I know I know you were kind of enamored

1460
01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:35,910
with Brazil I remember hearing you

1461
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:39,030
talking about that another show and and

1462
01:21:51,650 --> 01:21:47,150
why is that well I've done a lot of work

1463
01:21:54,380 --> 01:21:51,660
I think you know like you I live in a

1464
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:54,390
couple of different worlds I have what I

1465
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:56,210
call the straight world

1466
01:22:01,780 --> 01:21:58,920
this case right there national and

1467
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:01,790
international you know deal strategic

1468
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:05,040
implications that created the non-leaf

1469
01:22:11,740 --> 01:22:08,280
only weapon is new and had was done a

1470
01:22:14,660 --> 01:22:11,750
lot of work with that down in Brazil

1471
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:14,670
have been down many times it's just the

1472
01:22:21,860 --> 01:22:19,320
things that we have seen firsthand again

1473
01:22:26,890 --> 01:22:21,870
there's whole chapters on that one for

1474
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:26,900
instance my wife being totally possessed

1475
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:30,030
so it's one thing to watch other people

1476
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:31,890
whom you don't know when you questioned

1477
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:34,380
whether or not this possession is real

1478
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:37,860
but this is a spirit you know taking

1479
01:22:44,510 --> 01:22:41,610
over her physical body and remains home

1480
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:44,520
for about twenty minutes and uh it was

1481
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:48,750
on bondo ceremony we did we do our work

1482
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:52,320
with ayahuasca she's kind of a devotee

1483
01:23:02,240 --> 01:22:57,030
of that but on bond uh does not call for

1484
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,250
you know any chemical substances it was

1485
01:23:09,940 --> 01:23:05,040
just kind of an amazing experience which

1486
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:09,950
again as detailed in reality is mine

1487
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:13,850
work was that a scary situation for you

1488
01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:18,900
in particular no I wouldn't put it that

1489
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:20,700
it was interesting I was taking pictures

1490
01:23:30,830 --> 01:23:26,580
and guy came up to me and he said you're

1491
01:23:33,730 --> 01:23:30,840
a reporter I said no that's my wife and

1492
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:33,740
he goes asked you'd be ok just you know

1493
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:37,650
relax don't worry about it and pretty

1494
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:40,590
much came to pass as they had described

1495
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:42,510
she went over and sat on the side well

1496
01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:45,480
actually they took her aside and did

1497
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,670
something for a while with a high priest

1498
01:23:54,380 --> 01:23:50,400
and then sat on the side she does not

1499
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,390
remember consciously remember any of the

1500
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:56,880
things that had taken place she's

1501
01:24:02,030 --> 01:23:59,940
generally relatively shy and again in

1502
01:24:07,190 --> 01:24:02,040
the book I have a photograph that I took

1503
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:07,200
there were in a auditorium or a chapel I

1504
01:24:13,650 --> 01:24:09,370
guess about three hundred people

1505
01:24:16,110 --> 01:24:13,660
about 10 gringos and and they see

1506
01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:16,120
possession all the time so that's the

1507
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:18,430
norm what is not a norm is when you see

1508
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:21,780
a gringo out there spinning on the floor

1509
01:24:32,970 --> 01:24:28,330
not self-consciously literally is a

1510
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:32,980
showstopper yeah Wow amazing so the one

1511
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:37,450
thing I talked about briefly is when you

1512
01:24:43,820 --> 01:24:40,300
were talking about that something seems

1513
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:43,830
to be attached to someone and I know in

1514
01:24:51,810 --> 01:24:46,600
the I'm talking about the travelling

1515
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:51,820
poltergeist chapter you have a lot of

1516
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:54,010
times well there's that situation with

1517
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,330
the the house in Connecticut that it was

1518
01:25:02,010 --> 01:24:59,920
called the most haunted house and it

1519
01:25:03,660 --> 01:25:02,020
they think it had to do with a young

1520
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:03,670
girl that was you know going through

1521
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:07,480
some emotional times so can you talk a

1522
01:25:15,450 --> 01:25:12,670
little bit about that chapter well yes

1523
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:15,460
here again I say first-hand experience

1524
01:25:19,530 --> 01:25:17,470
this happened to me it was married at

1525
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:19,540
the time to a woman who had three

1526
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:23,530
children two girls of a boy boy was a

1527
01:25:33,390 --> 01:25:28,690
youngest and we did have the oldest girl

1528
01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:33,400
was right in the 8th her body and what

1529
01:25:38,150 --> 01:25:35,320
we do know from people who studied

1530
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:38,160
pulled a guy's phone on a lot of it does

1531
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:42,970
occur around that age and of course you

1532
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:43,900
know they're going through a lot of

1533
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:45,790
emotional strife but what was

1534
01:25:54,630 --> 01:25:48,970
interesting is that we had incidents

1535
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,640
that happened in Hawaii again I went to

1536
01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:57,040
the organizational effectiveness school

1537
01:26:02,910 --> 01:25:59,410
at for doors so I was there for a number

1538
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:02,920
of months while there we had incidents

1539
01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:07,210
occur in the apartment following that I

1540
01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:10,180
was transferred to what was in Fort

1541
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:14,200
McPherson in Atlanta Georgia and while

1542
01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:18,490
we were there we had major incident I

1543
01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:21,820
described for instance standing in the

1544
01:26:27,419 --> 01:26:23,800
kitchen and here

1545
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,429
crashing sound in the next room a bag of

1546
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:29,679
cookies that had been sitting on the

1547
01:26:37,169 --> 01:26:34,239
table had picked up and flown across the

1548
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:37,179
room and you know smacked against the

1549
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:40,510
wall and there was absolutely nobody in

1550
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:43,330
that room we had access to us so we know

1551
01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:45,400
that nobody had slipped in there though

1552
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:48,150
we had items flying around periodically

1553
01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:51,130
again the question from a scientific

1554
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:53,830
perspective is where does the energy

1555
01:27:01,649 --> 01:26:58,239
come from that can levitate object and

1556
01:27:03,419 --> 01:27:01,659
propel it across the room and you know

1557
01:27:05,459 --> 01:27:03,429
we're not talking about moving feathers

1558
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:05,469
and things talking about you know

1559
01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:09,760
substantial physical items being

1560
01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:13,780
levitated and propelled right it's the

1561
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:17,710
same talk about levitated the part where

1562
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:22,630
the bed goes up into the in the room I'm

1563
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:25,060
sorry there was a some where I was

1564
01:27:28,770 --> 01:27:26,980
reading in your book when someone was

1565
01:27:33,810 --> 01:27:28,780
laying on a bed and the bed rises right

1566
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:33,820
up to the ceiling oh that's my brother

1567
01:27:37,709 --> 01:27:35,050
that was your brother

1568
01:27:43,229 --> 01:27:37,719
okay whatever growing up we were in La

1569
01:27:46,589 --> 01:27:43,239
Crosse Wisconsin and yeah we had a an

1570
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:46,599
old house then even older now actually a

1571
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:51,280
dorm at the moment frat house and but

1572
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:55,510
lived in the we had our bedrooms in the

1573
01:28:01,439 --> 01:27:57,960
Attic that was partially furnished and

1574
01:28:04,399 --> 01:28:01,449
he had the case where he had in there

1575
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:04,409
the he's just in the bed and it

1576
01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:08,170
literally lifted all the way to the

1577
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:11,409
ceiling enough so that he had to put his

1578
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:15,130
hands up and left palm prints on the

1579
01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:16,980
ceiling pushing it back down

1580
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:20,440
I'll said when it hit the ground he was

1581
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:22,570
out of there and did not return to the

1582
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,460
third floor for a couple of weeks yeah

1583
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:29,679
I've always thought like if I was in a

1584
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:31,360
house where weird things happen I would

1585
01:28:36,030 --> 01:28:33,340
just I wouldn't care if I just bought it

1586
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:36,040
I would just leave I wouldn't want to be

1587
01:28:41,310 --> 01:28:36,820
around any of

1588
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:41,320
that stuff so out of everything you know

1589
01:28:47,939 --> 01:28:45,280
things fly around too but but I mean

1590
01:28:51,149 --> 01:28:47,949
this is if you remember the Exorcist

1591
01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:51,159
yeah the original one this is right out

1592
01:28:57,810 --> 01:28:55,480
of that levitating bit and it was your

1593
01:29:02,100 --> 01:28:57,820
cousin that was stricken as a child

1594
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:02,110
right that got into martial arts yeah

1595
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:08,650
Gary attempt on mission row but he and

1596
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:12,730
his brother had rheumatic fever and were

1597
01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:15,310
bedridden for a couple of years that's

1598
01:29:20,879 --> 01:29:18,790
why I was so amazing that I mean never

1599
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:20,889
participated in sports couldn't even go

1600
01:29:26,879 --> 01:29:24,010
outside or anything and then once he'll

1601
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:26,889
you know join the Marine Corps and as I

1602
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:30,130
said became known for his athletic

1603
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:33,489
prowess right I mean a thousand contacts

1604
01:29:39,419 --> 01:29:36,400
full contact or a thousand matches full

1605
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:39,429
contact and undefeated they don't have

1606
01:29:45,959 --> 01:29:41,530
full contact anymore either do they I

1607
01:29:49,260 --> 01:29:45,969
know he laments that dramatic we still

1608
01:29:52,290 --> 01:29:49,270
talk about that yeah all padded up as he

1609
01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:52,300
said in your book here on a set a record

1610
01:29:59,399 --> 01:29:55,270
Madison stair Garden knocking in day out

1611
01:30:02,700 --> 01:29:59,409
in five seconds Wow five seconds amazing

1612
01:30:05,459 --> 01:30:02,710
he hits I can't say we were in black

1613
01:30:08,370 --> 01:30:05,469
belt magazine together and you know I

1614
01:30:11,419 --> 01:30:08,380
never sparred with him but I've held he

1615
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:11,429
kicks really really hard

1616
01:30:19,939 --> 01:30:16,210
obviously great so on this in this whole

1617
01:30:23,069 --> 01:30:19,949
book what would you say is the most

1618
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:23,079
mind-bending so to speak or most

1619
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:27,130
unbelievable and all the entire book

1620
01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:29,199
that you wrote that was the hardest to

1621
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:37,630
swallow unbelievable obviously they are

1622
01:30:45,089 --> 01:30:41,770
believable because my definition the you

1623
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:45,099
know these things happen which is the

1624
01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:48,790
ballpoint to the book that you know if

1625
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:50,920
you address any of the issues

1626
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:53,570
specifically you would say that can't

1627
01:30:59,890 --> 01:30:57,170
happen say no but it did one of the

1628
01:31:03,939 --> 01:30:59,900
sayings I uses anything that does happen

1629
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:03,949
can happen do you think it has anything

1630
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:06,260
to do with yourself have you ever

1631
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:14,660
thought of that angle oh of course I the

1632
01:31:19,420 --> 01:31:17,330
way I usually address that is not so

1633
01:31:25,050 --> 01:31:19,430
much of what happens to me but things

1634
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:25,060
around me like a catalyst for various

1635
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:29,930
kinds of experiences mm-hmm

1636
01:31:36,610 --> 01:31:33,830
and has anyone has anyone else in your

1637
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:36,620
family have an interest in the type of

1638
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,260
things that you do are as open mind and

1639
01:31:47,860 --> 01:31:41,360
where did you you know where did you get

1640
01:31:50,350 --> 01:31:47,870
this open - don't know my brother the

1641
01:31:53,380 --> 01:31:50,360
one who Dom who was the one who was in

1642
01:31:55,570 --> 01:31:53,390
the bed that we mentioned says well you

1643
01:32:00,090 --> 01:31:55,580
know I studied the things that happened

1644
01:32:05,170 --> 01:32:00,100
for them but that did not transition to

1645
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:05,180
you know the curiosity that that I have

1646
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:08,480
so and I also get question how did it

1647
01:32:13,959 --> 01:32:10,670
change I said I don't know what's kind

1648
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:13,969
of the interest has always been there

1649
01:32:18,729 --> 01:32:16,370
and then he changes have been more like

1650
01:32:24,189 --> 01:32:18,739
you know steering an aircraft carrier

1651
01:32:27,220 --> 01:32:24,199
than any epiphany or you know critical

1652
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:27,230
incidents that caused interest in these

1653
01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:32,000
areas well well so do you have anything

1654
01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:34,420
in the future lined up are you gonna

1655
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:37,160
have anything as far as writing any more

1656
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:42,050
books coming up well I'm working on some

1657
01:32:49,209 --> 01:32:44,690
things right now but remember that most

1658
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:49,219
of again like you most of my time is

1659
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:50,900
spent in what I call the straight world

1660
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:53,810
right and so if I write on you know

1661
01:32:59,339 --> 01:32:57,130
geopolitical incidents I do blog

1662
01:33:03,379 --> 01:32:59,349
periodically on

1663
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:03,389
Huffington Post mostly on begin

1664
01:33:10,890 --> 01:33:06,880
geopolitical issues the one I'm writing

1665
01:33:14,729 --> 01:33:10,900
on at the moment is addressing the

1666
01:33:19,649 --> 01:33:14,739
common factors in football bnfl but

1667
01:33:26,939 --> 01:33:19,659
football in general climate change gun

1668
01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:26,949
control Wow issue like that the short

1669
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:29,320
circuit the common factor is willful

1670
01:33:36,810 --> 01:33:34,000
ignorance our ability to know that

1671
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:36,820
smoking was the other one that how the

1672
01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:41,170
public in general just refuses to accept

1673
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:44,440
data and that's on a macro scale so

1674
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:46,690
where that transitions into what we're

1675
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,050
talking about is when common interest

1676
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:52,960
says these things can't happen and goes

1677
01:33:58,919 --> 01:33:56,170
against our what we haven't discussed is

1678
01:34:06,089 --> 01:33:58,929
the materialist world versus a spirit

1679
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,099
world but yeah our our society has the

1680
01:34:12,780 --> 01:34:08,800
ability to just ignore vast amount of

1681
01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:12,790
data and act in ways that are not in

1682
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,020
their own personal best interest and why

1683
01:34:22,830 --> 01:34:19,360
do you suppose that is I agree with you

1684
01:34:28,350 --> 01:34:22,840
and how do you how do you suppose people

1685
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:28,360
rationalize things I have no idea there

1686
01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:30,159
was an interesting book I read a few

1687
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:32,020
years ago called the myth of the

1688
01:34:39,390 --> 01:34:35,050
rational voter and of course the issue

1689
01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:39,400
is that you know in a democracy and yes

1690
01:34:45,419 --> 01:34:41,560
I know we're public but in the democracy

1691
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,429
where we vote the assumption is that

1692
01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:47,679
people will vote in their own best

1693
01:35:01,439 --> 01:34:57,500
emotion Trump's logic almost every time

1694
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:01,449
really that is fascinating I never knew

1695
01:35:05,550 --> 01:35:04,050
that aspect I've never heard of that

1696
01:35:07,589 --> 01:35:05,560
amazing

1697
01:35:10,740 --> 01:35:07,599
well John are you familiar with our

1698
01:35:12,370 --> 01:35:10,750
present or current president you know I

1699
01:35:14,530 --> 01:35:12,380
mentioned our

1700
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:14,540
our current president last week in John

1701
01:35:20,290 --> 01:35:16,790
I got to tell you I get so much hate

1702
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:20,300
mail and it was just a very I thought

1703
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:24,320
kind of a simple phrase I said emotion

1704
01:35:29,890 --> 01:35:29,210
Trump's logic every time so I pun

1705
01:35:34,990 --> 01:35:29,900
intended

1706
01:35:37,630 --> 01:35:35,000
yeah okay John has been a real pleasure

1707
01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:37,640
and hey are you gonna be out in I heard

1708
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:39,640
a rumor that you might be out in Arizona

1709
01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:43,970
coming up at the UFO Congress is that

1710
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:48,380
true or possibility well I don't intend

1711
01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:53,530
to go down and Alejandro has said no oh

1712
01:35:59,410 --> 01:35:57,560
okay well alright well thanks so much

1713
01:36:02,710 --> 01:35:59,420
and it's always been a real pleasure to

1714
01:36:07,090 --> 01:36:02,720
talk to you okay thank you all right you

1715
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:07,100
take care all right all right all right

1716
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:10,090
everyone that's it for the show and

1717
01:36:16,330 --> 01:36:13,970
thank you so much for for being here

1718
01:36:19,630 --> 01:36:16,340
today for supporting the show or

1719
01:36:21,610 --> 01:36:19,640
watching it live on youtube or on the

1720
01:36:24,730 --> 01:36:21,620
Dark Matter digital network thank you

1721
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:24,740
thank you thank you and next week we'll

1722
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:26,450
be back with charles lamoureux

1723
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:30,260
it has to do with a film out on I

1724
01:36:37,540 --> 01:36:33,530
believe UFOs so that will be our show

1725
01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:37,550
next week so thanks again and remember